The Guardian Books podcast is a weekly look at the world of books, presented by Claire Armitstead, Richard Lea and Sian Cain. In-depth interviews with authors from all over the world, discussions and investigations make this the perfect companion for readers and writers alike.

In this episode, Why David Attenborough is famous but ‘he isn’t a celebrity’, they speak to Horrible Histories consultant and podcaster Greg Jenner about the history of celebrity and share what listeners are reading.